Whakamaharatanga Marae Hui
A hui to discuss non-commercial fishing interests and Maori
10 - 11 November 2005
Scott Macindoe ,
Between Hapu (see
also spatial issues)
Industry has some concerns
about the Pou Hononga initiative. Mr. Randell Bess , the MFish Spatial
Allocations team manager has expressed that the moves to protect
the coastline is a "race for space". This will ultimately lead to
a race for space between hapu.
The Minister of Fisheries
has to be satisfied the mataitai does not prevent commercial fishers
from catching their quota within the Quota Management Area. In the
case of paua and rock lobster, it is only a matter of time before
a mataitai application is turned down due to failure of "prevention
test". This conceivably leads one hapu to meet their aspirations
for their rohe and another missing out because they were not quick
enough to have their mataitai approved. Alternatively, the hapu
that misses out could have to accommodate more commercial fishing
effort in their rohe.
"Has every hapu in the country
been told they are now racing each other? Because that is how it
is." Ministry's answer was no.
MFish were advised they should
inform all hapu about this issue so they are aware of the implications.
Industry has already indicated
they are willing to go to court if a mataitai has an adverse impact
on their ability to catch their quota. The success of the mataitai
proposed for the Tory Channel was used as an example of possible
court action as required to find a resolution to spatial issues.
Between Hapu and
DoC – marine reserves
also spatial issues)
The race for space also applies
to the Department of Conservation and their initiatives that will
impose on hapu plans for their rohe. Hapu need to be aware of this
threat as well.
DoC has indicated that mataitai
would not necessarily qualify as a marine protected area. To meet
this qualification it will have to pass a "Protection Standards"
test. Whilst MFish and DoC have some understanding of these Protection
Standards that are being formulated, the public have absolutely
no idea what these "standards" will look like. What
is known is that they are being formulated and that a public consultation
process will be announced soon. This is more of the "make it up
as you go" behaviour that the public have become accustomed to with
the DoC approach to marine protection. The ridiculous mismatch of
resourcing also seriously disadvantages tangata whenua as the Department
of Conservation rushes to secure as much territory as possible.
In the meantime hapu have
no idea if their initiatives will "satisfy" DoC's strategy.
Graeme Morrell advised the
hui, from his experience, there are some problems associated with
mataitai he has been involved with, including the following:
- Land use surrounding mataitai not managed sustainably.
- Time frame for notifying mataitai applications is not adequate.
- Tangata whenua not engaging with other stakeholder groups.
- Failure of the Spatial Allocations team to understand the process
to ensure the consultation between tangata whenua and the commercial
stakeholders was sufficient.
- Maori need to be aware they are now 54% stakeholders in commercial
fishing so need to take this factor into account.
Tom Moana , Tainui
The Executive Forum consists
of all the chairmen of the regional iwi Forums. The most recent
hui of the Executive Forum was held in Tauranga on October 10 th
and was attended by Sonny Tau, facilitator Hokianga Accord, Tom
Moana, Nga Hapu O Te Uru, Tom Paku and Manny Mokomoko from the customary
Forums further south.
Members of the Executive
Forum had heard what the Hokianga Accord was doing and were keen
to listen to Sonny and learn. They all expressed their appreciation
with the sharing of information and would be reporting back to their
One of the Forum's tasks
was to work through the draft Terms of Reference with the Pou Hononga
team in attendance. The draft Terms had been supplied by Carl Ross's
After the hui the record
of the meeting was circulated to the chairmen. There was some discrepancy
with the official record taken of the meeting and what the chairmen
recalled. The chairmen agreed that it seemed like the Ministry were
trying to set the Executive meeting up the way they wanted it to
be rather than how it actually worked out. The issue of accurate
recording of meeting will need to be addressed before the next Executive
Despite the initial hiccup,
the Executive Forum is seen as a useful vehicle for the exchange
of information and development of new regional forums along the
most successful path. It could be that the newer forums could incorporate
a similar structure as the Hokianga Accord by including recreational
The chairmen did not feel
the facilitator supplied by MFish added any value to the Tauranga
hui and would prefer if the Pou Hononga of the area hosting the
Executive Forum records the discussions held during the meeting.
Tainui's perspective is that
the Executive Forum has the potential to be very good as more regional
forums are established.
The Hokianga Accord was due
to appoint/elect an executive to manage the Forum's affairs. Considering
all the feedback, including that from MFish, had not been incorporated
into the Kaupapa Whakahaere it was debatable if the elections would
be held at this hui or at a later stage. Some discussion was required
to reach an agreement on appointing an executive.
It was agreed the Working
Group already established would continue to work on the Kaupapa
Whakahaere (MOU) and report back with another draft before the next
hui. A meeting of the Working Group and a team from Ministry is
scheduled for December 7 th ; this discussion would help with the
development of the MOU.
(Great Barrier Island) Marine Reserve
Bill Cooke asked the Hokianga
Accord if there was any way the Forum could help in the situation
facing the residents of Aotea and those who are concerned about
the marine reserve that has been approved by the Minister of Conservation.
The reserve, on the northeastern coast of Great Barrier, only needs
the concurrence (agreement) of the Minister of Fisheries before
it is finalised.
Sonny advised the hui that
he was due to meet the Prime Minister in the next hour or so and
he would mention the concerns about the reserve to her.
Stan Crothers made a commitment
at the previous hui that the Ministry of Fisheries would go to the
island to discuss the marine reserve application put forward by
the Department of Conservation. A meeting has been arranged for
Saturday 19 th November, all the main parties had been invited and
MFish would be attending.
It would be an opportunity
for "those who are there to have their say". The Ministry
want to satisfy themselves that consultation has been conducted
and do not want to be seen to be just ticking off DoC's process.
Aotea Pou Hononga,
The hui at Great Barrier
Island on November19 th was about bringing "Ngati Wai and Ngati
Rehua people on the island up to speed about the concurrence process.
That's going to be an opportunity to look at the process. Secondly,
it's an opportunity to be able to reflect the type of information
that the Ministry is aware of and has observed about the process
to date. And to give some reflection on whether that type
of information can or can't be included into a concurrence process.
So it's a matter of reflecting that quality of information or status
of that type of information. That's the first part of the morning.
" Up to date, the Ministry
of Fisheries has essentially observed the process that the Minister
of Conservation has undertaken in respect to the application for
the marine reserve. At the end of that process the Ministry of Fisheries
provides a concurrence, a view on whether they concur with the recommendation
for the reserve or not."
" At this point in time
the primary issue is to look to the scope of that meeting, is the
impact of the reserve on customary fishing. That's why its been
focussed down to the Ngati Rehua, Ngati Wai community, at this point."
" The second part
of the day is to allow tangata whenua, primarily the older people,
like Harry [ Walker ] and co, to be able to state,
in front of Stan and the Ministry, the impact on their customary
fishing that the marine reserve would have."
" That's how the
day has been organised. Within that time also Ngati Wai, as iwi
authority have an interest so there's been a structuring of an option
for Ngati Wai to present to the Ministry of Fisheries as well."
" Because we are looking
to focus on the impact on customary fishing that's why it's [the
meeting] has been structured in that way."
MFish are going to Motairehe
Marae to hear the issues in a combined way.
MFish are in no position
to say to anyone, don't go. Marae are open to anyone. Sonny committed
to ringing a few people between the end of the hui and the following
weekend to find out more. Sonny would confirm, through Scott Macindoe,
the marae would welcome other people to this hui and that those
people would have an opportunity to talk to the hui.
The Ministry were asked if
they plan to consult with anyone else apart from those who attend
the hui at Motairehe Marae. Kenny was not aware of any other consultation
plans. MFish always had the intention of talking with Ngati Wai
and Ngati Rehua.
Jodi Mantle was unaware of
any plans for MFish to consult with recreational fishers regarding
the Aotea reserve. Jodi committed to talking with Mr. Randell Bess
, the Spatial Allocations team manager, and would confirm Ministry's
intention regarding further consultation on this reserve.
The Ministry were reminded that their credibility was "on the line"
as far as their process unfolds in regards to the Aotea marine reserve.
While it is recognised the marine reserve initiative has come from
DoC, and this has placed MFish in a difficult position, the Ministry
were being watched on how they go about their consultation process.